Tuesday, September 2, 2008

A different perspective on "pickup"

This is what seduction/dating gurus would like us to believe. They either have a huge repertoire of routines to microcalibrate for every conceivable situation -OR- the exact amount of woo & intent that almost all girls (or as TD would say, 99% of all girls will have a great interaction with him) will wet their panties... all because the guy has the right body language, the proper tonality & voice, and the perfect verbal game. Sadly, the reality is quite different.

What usually happen is that these self-hype gurus go around talking to girls, some will be amused, but most girls will end up ignoring these weirdos; on a good night, they might end up with a few numbers, which MANY drunk girls will give out because they want to feel validated. Most of the time, both the guru and the girl are so hammered with their respective beer-goggles end up going home together. Most guys getting into this might not believe this, there are girls go out explicitly to get drunk in order to get laid because these girls are just as desperate. The trick isn't in what to do or say, but in finding the right venue, talking to those girls, and with a low enough standard, you too will go home with them.

Let's step back for a second and think this through, if a girl is successful, decent looking, socially savvy, with supportive friends and family (as in well-adjusted), do you think she would go out to bars to hook up with some random dudes?! There's a slim chance that such a girl exists despite what our intuition would say, but the possibility of meeting that one special girl is almost like winning the lottery; if you are the type who like to gamble by buying lottery tickets, then this is "the game" that you should play.

But if all you want to do is to get laid, it's quite simple: Get drunk, talk to every girl, and you too will get to go home with some nasty drunk bar skanks. There are many guys, including some readers and commenters on here, who have depression, social phobia or anxiety, and perhaps, personality disorders so they have difficulty in talking with girls. There are many state certified, accredited organization, qualified professionals who can help and they have a history of helping people to overcome these problems in order to function within their respective society.

For me to recommend people above to overcome their serious problems by learning to do pickup from these dating gurus is almost as irresponsible as if I were to tell a short chubby teenager to become a professional basketball player. I'm sure he can learn a few moves, and might even be quite good at playing basketball at the local YMCA against other short chubby kids, but to push him to become a professional basketball player is just plain delusional. This is what I've been getting at with this blog. I'm not saying that don't learn the techniques and methods that are available. I would be very hesitant to advise anyone to spend thousands if not more on taking bootcamp one after another, subscribe to countless products, and go on every forum in order to become a master Pick-up Artist.

In fact, I've met that VH1 master PUA, he was just standing around biting his nails, analyzing social interactions with his fellow PUAs, and you'd think being a D-list celebrity, he would get some actions because a female audience might recognize him. On the contrary, he left with the same guys who came in with him. If you still think that these self-hype gurus are real, go check out Barry Kirkey's "radioshow" to hear his perspective, as a former "executive coach" (who left) RSD, a character in that "bible," and supposedly got many girls.

Joining the community is not some amazing journey to become a Jedi knight, go read some materials so you know what to and what not to do when interacting with people. Then grow some balls, and start talking with people, guys and girls. The hard work isn't in learning the materials and demonstrate one's prowess by being a keyboard jockey on seduction boards, but rather in going out and be more social with everyone. In spite of what is described in books and reports, it's not that difficult to take a random drunk bar skank home, all you have to do is to lower your standard enough because no girls with choice (i.e. that others would want too) would go home with some random dude that she just met, no matter how cool he is. So the fabled PUA described in reports doesn't exist, it's what hustlers want you to believe so that they can market more materials and workshops to you.

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Now this is on the mark. I absolutely hate the "magical" side to pick up, I think it is so dorky and terrible (not surprising since Mystery is a self professed Dungeons & Dragons nerd).

As if these "guru's" don't have a vested monetary interest in making them sound like the most impressive players on the face of the planet.

Great post.

Anonymous said...

Agreed, awesome post, BUT

You seem to imply that most women who go to bars are 'bar skanks'. I don't quite get it. If a girl meets a guy she likes, what's the problem with them going home that night? How does it really say anything about his or her character? Why should she be judged negatively for it? Maybe if us, as guys, didn't judge chicks so harshly for things like this, we'd be a hell of a lot happier and it'd be easier for us to get some action without the 'LMR' or 'bitch shield' or whatever. There'd be more girls who could feel okay about going after what they wanted.

I get what you mean in general, but I think it's an unfair, one-sided generalisation. To a lot of society, bars and clubs are just the places you go to when you want to meet people. It's not that the girls think "Yeah I really like meeting guys in bars", maybe its more that they've just been conditioned that a bar is the place to go for that and they're just acting like that because they don't know better. Like PUAs who think that the only sort of game is 'night game', because society says its okay to go pick up at a bar but it isn't quite as normal to pick up on the street in the daytime.

I know some fantastic girls who do go to bars and clubs occasionally with their friends and who wouldn't be shy to take a bloke home that night, if he was the right bloke. Two consenting adults who find each other attractive and want to express it by having sex, who really gives a shit what they do if they're happy. I can't see any negative value judgement there.

DDD said...

Definitely nothing wrong with girls who go home with guys they just met at a bar. I think the problem is the focus on gaming girls, when in reality, it's soooooooooo much easier if people know about the reality, which is that girls are more easily influenced when they are intoxicated, in fact, they even dose themselves with alcohol so that they lower their inhibition and so that they can get their physical needs satisfied.

Sure, there are man sober girls who go home with guys they just met. But then, what's the point of going to bars? The excuse is to get a drink, but the real reason is really to meet someone.

I don't have the same negative connotation associated with 'bar skanks'. Thank goodness for sluts or we would be blowing ourselves up!

Anonymous said...

yeah, it's not hard at all to get laid at a bar. You don't need game to get a drunk girl home.

The problem is that the guy doesn't really want to get laid (so he can continue on his sob story) or there is a voice in the back of his head that wants more.

The chances are really slim of finding a decent girl in a bar or club that is going to be the right fit.

You are right, all you need is 'decent' social skills and a pair. Unfortunately, guys spend thousands in order to avoid getting courage to push through a fear or two. They don't want to feel uncomfortable so they buy more and more products looking for the one product that will cure everything.

How many products do you need to buy if none of them got you good with women?

Great post, exposing the community for what it is more and more